There have been several regionals that have gone under recently which have temporarily flooded the market with pilots. Why @sruart does the country really need more low wage perminent temporary jobs? Others might say its borderline exploitative. So, that will be difficult. As the app is described: That app, Neeleman says, is designed to convince customers to shell out for upgrades and extras, from food to rental cars, which Breeze is depending on to turn a profit. All that said, I'm currently COO for a NON-union airline, and we will make sure we pay our pilots (and all employees) fairly with work conditions and benefits that will never have them needing a union to ask for more. It's quite likely that Breeze wants the low minimum guarantee of 55 so that they can shrink their capacity in the low-demand months without paying pilots to sit. The Dept. The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. The corporate-provided housing actually sounds like an appealing thing for many college students. Aviation professionals pay has changed dramatically, starting in the late 80s. Breeze Now, Pay Later. They had over a hundred applicants. Even brands that truly tried to build a better experience (jetblue, alaska, virgin (rip)) eventually competed mostly on price. Im glad to see youre excited to join the industry. My regional got dumped by United and now Im at another regional at the bottom of a seniority list making way less money with bad work rules flying the same tail numbers I did before. I think Breeze will likely be cheaper while SW offers 2 free checked bags. for there liking only. Kendor gonna be thrilled when Breeze slashes wages by another third in exchange for company scrip redeemable for filet mignon sandwiches. My regional airline was a casualty of covid and Breeze seems like a great fit for someone like myself. An initial slate of 39 routes across 16. Breeze Airways will initially fly Embraer 190s, but eventually plans to operate a fleet consisting exclusively of Airbus A220s. Also, Breeze Airways may be a good solution for a pilot who only wants to rack up 55 hours each month with a lighter workload. US Air Force C-130H Delaware ANG Gemini Jets GMUSA114 Scale 1:400 IN STOCK. When it comes to Breeze Airways, theres good news and bad news. It's capitalism in it's most raw form. The pay is horrifically low, though. For a certain person, this could be an ideal job. No Per Diem. Wont fly them with this info. Never found out what would happen if you fall below 3.0. I'll have fries with that, thanks. It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. 2. Low fares. Maybe Breeze will also supply its people with high-end meals, as Microsoft and Google provides its extremely well-compensated developer workforce. *No insurance provided. They pack you in like lemmings in the dorms And you're worried about the quality of housing? As youd expect, existing flight attendant unions will no doubt be targeting Breeze: The largest U.S. flight attendants union says it looks like an attempt to abuse federal work-study subsidies to hold down labor costs. I commuted weekly on Southwest out of MDW got an apartment with 5 other classmates. You can also reach us at (800) 573-1848. Hey. That's the Breeze way. There is no coercion, there is no exploitation - if the pay is too little, pilots won't join and they'll have to revamp their compensation structure to entice people to join. Unfortunately flying is something easy to be passionate about, and the industry takes advantage. That rate of pay is so low and that availability schedule requires so much flexibility that I have to imagine he isn't targeting primarily college students, who have class schedules to contend with, but high school graduates and GED holders up through their early 20s. The $1200 a month is not really a salary, but rather a stipend for a college-like experience while interning as FA part time. "The price of food is so high, they should be grateful!". The number of terrible domestic airlines keeps increasing. At Breeze, we want to empower and support our Team Members so they can, in turn, empower and support our Guests every step of the journey. Years ago right out of college I worked as a contractor on-site at one of the biggest technology companies in the world. I'm sorry, a career flight attendant is absurd. 8 hours reserve gets 4 hours of pay $38 per hour. Idea sounds interesting but that pay scale and hiring model is trash. Maybe it really is a part-time gig and would be a good fit for a great many people. At first glance, those rates do not seem too unusual. I wish more airlines provided housing options. AFTER 4 YEARS YOUR CONTRACT IS OVER AND CANNOT BE RENEWED. An airline that keeps harassing me with upsell offers on my purchase? 4) $6,000 annually towards my tuition! 1. Please use the form below to submit updates and corrections to the airline information found on this site. First Officer 1st year $89 and $130 in year six. Only Skyworst has no union in the regional game, and they continue to get guys to sign up by force feeding the kool-aid by the tankful. Expect most Breeze tickets this summer to cost well under $100 one-way When Breeze takes delivery of A220s later this year the airline will offer a first class, and expect those tickets to cost an extra $50-100 one-way Breeze will charge $20 for checked bags on flights under three hours Breeze won't charge change or cancelation fees These numbers are minimums. And, it's not clear if they get health insurance as part-time employees. New or retreads? The LDS coming from the Beehive State have, at the end of the day, always thought of its team members really as worker bees. What follows then is a vast amount of turnover which, in itself, compromises safety. We live in a free market economy. How awful that Neeleman is forcing people to work under these conditions with a gun to their head! $36.76. David Neeleman, the founder of Breeze Airways, also started JetBlue not too long ago, but the pilot payscale for both companies is quite different. I can just imagine the sick calls on the weekends. Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? Many young girls and guys want to be a flight attendant from 20-65 or older. Good luck with that. Are they being put up in an extended stay type compound? This job is not nor intended to be for every young person. This year is unique in pilots employment, but when the majors start hiring again, they will love poaching all the pilots from Breeeze! Captains will be paid $117 per hour in year one, and $143 per hour in year six I liked the idea of them providing housing so I didn't have to scramble to find a crash pad or sign a lease somewhere. This is absolutely exploitive. The industry does need an overall. Of course, I will never forget Herb Kelleher walking into a pintos union negotiation and exclaiming to them all, "Let's start by saying that I know you guys would do this nothing if you had to!". The airline should do fine, at least up to a certain scale. @RobertB unless Breeze starts showing a pattern of denying jobs to older, experienced flight attendants who want to do the work and following Breeze's presumably legal employment practices, there is no discrimination. I don't think any new business venture in a competitive feel can be termed "exploitative." Meanwhile my friends will be stuck in their entry-level cubicles. While we do try to list all the best miles and points deals, the site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. I think these "internships" are not meant for people looking at a career as a flight attendant, but rather college age kids looking for a unique experience. Technology is greatuntil something goes wrong. There are a finite quantity of qualified pilots and the barrier to entry for that work is significant. I'm a retired AA captain. Very clever. I cringe at labeling jobs without limitless potential for professional growth as "dead-end". When I flew with Virgin America I was based at SFO, but lived in ORD. 2) housing: I am curious what housing? Or at least it is very close. You think the fact they've bought a union card somehow empowers them with experience? Thanks for the weird post about the fast food you like, though :). No person interactions. The Dept. Attn: Airline Pilot Central In fact, the concept seems brilliant and hope I make it through the process and get selected. This isnt a job, its servitude by hopeless people who have been abandoned by their government and economic system. Sounds awfully low especially with a 55-hour minimum pay. MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands Ahead of the launch, Forbes has an interesting story about the airline, after having spent some time with founder David Neeleman. I worked as a host at a restaurant for minimum wage in college and didnt make close to $1200/mo and still had full tuition and room/board to pay. The estimated additional pay is $797 per month. Let's ask Don Burr how his cult airline worked out? A new airline that bills itself as "seriously nice" first took to the skies in 2021. What do you make of Breezes approach to hiring? In this post I wanted to cover a few of the highlights of this story, because there are some really surprising tidbits in here. Breeze has started hiring pilots, and its making pay at some regional airlines look lucrative by comparison (and keep in mind pilots often work at regional airlines to gain experience, and eventually get a job at one of the major carriers). I hope he's prepared to pay pilots a real premium, otherwise why go to a startup when the legacies will be hiring big-time. @Ben L. exhibiting developmental delay for snark: that's concerning. I'm sure safety will be first class on Breeze. Think lifeguards. Many may not have developed interactional skills with customers (passengers) and feel this job can help teach them that skill. Bottom line: Supply and Demand principles are at play. I'm not sure anything this post really supports the hypothesis that they're underpaid. I will be marching tomorrow on May Day for an egalitarian communist revolution with hundreds of myvworking class comrades in Brooklyn. While we do try to list all the best miles and points deals, the site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. Breeze Will Pay Flight Attendants $1,200 Per Month, Wants To Ding Your Credit Card Ben Schlappig Published: April 29, 2021 Updated: August 12, 2022 99 With Avelo Airlines having launched operations yesterday, Breeze Airways is expected to be the next US airline startup to begin flying. This airline is banking on their 4 year contract holding up. Breeze vs. JetBlue pilot pay Here's JetBlue's Embraer 190 pilot pay scale: First officers are paid $89 per hour in year one, and $130 per hour in year six Captains are paid $192 per hour in year one, and $203 per hour in year six Pilots are guaranteed pay for 75 hours per month of flying In other words: Rude, Fat-Fugly, Nasty, Filthy, Unfit. I know these FA's will not be scheduled for overnight trips. If the pay is off the mark, the marketplace will correct this soon enough: pilots have options, and they know it. If you fly anywhere close to a normal schedule, the numbers look brighter. You and a friend use your travel pass and visit a city. That sums up who youll be flying behind if you choose to fly on this completely unproven carrier. The pay scale also looks good. This says to me that the quality of pilot they will be recruiting will be far from the best and hence, an airline to swerve. Filet mignon is perhaps being used intentionally as an example of something you can't buy onboard even a full service airline but which many people would pay for. 909 N. Sepulveda Blvd, 11th Floor So theyre going to get experienced pilots (somewhat), that are already typed, with 1K hrs of 121 time (most likely), not have to pay initial or differences training for them, then pay them sh. Sounds like 4 years of indentured servitude! This is a disappointment in many ways. Are they taking advantage of the pilot supply right nowprobably so, because they can, but to claim they're being "exploitative" is a stretch in my opinion. The significant wage difference may be in anticipation of the economic recovery process ahead. Take it easy. Finally, Breeze needs to get its financial footing or their employees could all be forced out on the street. The airline is expected to start selling tickets any day now, and I know many of us are curious about what the Salt Lake City-based carriers first routes will be. The concept does turn on to be "too good to be true" at least for me, just based on the insurance matter alone. I hope it does not come off the ground and if it does, it goes bankrupt after a week. Claim your Free Employer Profile Website: www.flybreeze.com Headquarters: Cottonwood Heights, UT Size: 501 to 1000 Employees Founded: 2018 Type: Company - Private If its actually cheaper and leg room isnt a total disaster, their planes will be full. This is absolutely exploitive. There is not a lot to do these days in an aircraft cabin. Not discussed here is the difference between flight hours and duty day. These comments are something else. The wont to have pilots on there books, but wont have at the beginnig a lot of flightsSo from a business point it makes sence to have more pilots who only fligh 55h instead of having less pilots with 75h. The good news is that the hourly wages are above-average. These days she brings home a little bit more than that: she earned it. Almost every airline has it in the @Samuel - Housing is a big plus and at Breeze it is included. Breeze Airways insights Based on 31 survey responses Areas for improvement Fair pay for job Support from manager Overall satisfaction Bad leadership Customer Service Representative (Former Employee) - Salt Lake City, UT - February 13, 2023 Breeze has potential as a start-up. Its their choice. Are all the posts from FAs at other airlines? I would instruct my old self to work yet harder for my lousy salary. My starting pay clear back in 1983 was1500/month! Landing June 2023. You could sit around half a day, everyday, and not get paid for it. 3) People as interns/college kids: I would like to have a job for life. It's silly to ape outrage when we don't know a lot of the details of the actual work and schedule. may be it is totally moronic. Breeze initially only hired flight attendants who didn't have college degrees, so that they could enroll in an online university and live in company housing, getting paid only $1,200 per month; when the airline didn't get enough interest there, Breeze started hiring part-time flight attendants No we need less and need more solid middle class jobs. Its unfair pay but it is a fun job and these are weird times. That minimum guarantee is just that, a minimum. While perhaps not quite as controversial, Breezes approach to hiring pilots is also raising some eyebrows, as flagged by @StringAndRuder and @AirlineFlyer. Frankly Im somewhere in the middle here. Flight Attendants are hired because they are qualified to provide safety & service. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners. Anyone with a college degree need not apply to be a flight attendant, while the only reason to become a pilot at Breeze is if you have no other options pay is roughly on par with regionals, while requirements are significantly higher. 1) Free Housing! As a college student, I love the idea! I explained more in my previous posts. Great article !!! Some of these kids may never have ever been able to do that. Well your also comparing companies that have been in business for a substantial time period. Is there a penalty for leaving early? However, in reality thats not hugely different than the schedules that flight attendants work at other airlines full time. The estimated base pay is $3,842 per month. In the end I wish people would stop looking at every opportunity through their own eyes and realize that not every job has to be a union job or a job with all the perks of a career. Maybe 3 hours. Yes, they are using and abusing us. They are not hired to be sex symbols and keep men sexually entertained through out the flight; therefore, I could care less how old you are as long as you can save my life in the event of an emergency. No guests. This means pilots (not just new pilots ) are out there making with the government wants minimum wage to be. JetBlue pilots earn significantly more per hour and are given a 70-hour monthly guarantee. These skills are essential for them to be able to take the next step in their careers and lives. Or the app crashing? So much whining and squealing. "fun little add-ons" er surely time-consuming adverts interrupting one's day asking one to pay for something high quality airlines provide as part of their price. The estimated total pay for a Flight Attendant at Breeze Airways is $4,639 per month. This is corporate serfdom masquerading as an "opportunity". Its schedule, price, loyalty program. A 25 year veteran Flight Attendant is exactly who you want on a Flight if there's any type of emergency. Many young girls and guys want to be a flight attendant from 20-65 or older. This article mentions and quotes minimum monthly guarantee, but fails to show the pay for picking up extra flying. You don't get any insurances. After taxes and insurance I . Spirit airlines is one of the most profitable airlines in the world proving that many people care more about price than most other things on flights. Tons of excess pilot supply at the moment. Captain 1st year $192 and $203 in year six. First year SkyWest pilots make more than Breeze pilots. This is cynical exploitation at its worst and I hope that the public recognises this and vote with their feet. I'm willing to bet that they will start service to Tampa. There are young people for whom a collegial work environment and highly social university-style housing would be quite appealing while they build skills. It does sound like not much at the moment, but I think the idea behind it, that for a starting Airline and in the pandamic, to only offer 55h minium is understandable. On the other hand I have a feeling this is going to be an age discrimination lawsuit happening as soon as they figure out no one over the age of 30 is being hired for a flight attendant. We pay the least to all our staff! Yes, I'm probably talking about you dummy. Heres what we can expect from pricing and fees in general: Breeze is launching operations with Embraer 190/195 aircraft, which the airline is leasing for very little. Or what if you decide to get children? Pilots are guaranteed pay of $75 per month. The new carrier, founded by serial aviation entrepreneur David Neeleman first teased the idea, code-named Moxy, in mid-2018. Look down, "Your Highness". document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); My neighbor is in this program. You can work at a lot of fast food places and now get $15 an hour plus benefits. Housing and travel to/from work provided. I suppose they could be selling the dream of having high seniority at the airline as it grows, with hope of better pay in the future, but. The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. I'm nearing ATP mins as a CFI and it looks interesting. Great idea. Founded in 2018, Breeze Airways was advertised to become the Worlds Nicest Airline. Rebook or cancel up to 15 minutes prior to scheduled departure without penalty. But it may be a great opportunity for some as I said for 1-2 years for a young person. You have 7 days to get yourself there, find a place, sign a lease, move in, get airport badges and be ready to fly on day 8.). I was one of them 20 years ago but was not treated close to as bad as this sounds. The average salary for Flight Attendant at Breeze Airways in the United States is $19.64 per hour, which is 14% below the national average. They understand that our pursuit of Excellence is not a destination, but rather, a journey. What they do at launch and what they do 2 years later can be entirely different. Select PayPal Credit at checkout to have the option . And why frankly, should businesses be saddled with this expense? so yes their work force has negotiated rates based on the companies success. There could be plenty of pilots typed and timed in the E-jets whod be willing to take this awhile waiting to get (back) to the majors. Will they get pilots? The job may fit more workers than you think. Breeze Airways is finally making its debut on May 27 just in time for Memorial Day weekend and the start of what will likely be a busy summer season. The pay is horrifically low, though. The downside for me, and they exist in almost all arrangements, is the unknown as to whether we'll have health insurance. Thanks for update !! Sorry @john S. my comment was for @Monty C. -. I will make $15-20 per hour for my hard work on average when you figure all the work we do for free. may be it is totally moronic. For the rest of my career at VX I commuted into SFO the night before a trip. Their value is astronomical. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for 1/400 Gemini Jets Breeze Airways Embraer ERJ-195AR N190BZ "2020s" at the best online prices at eBay! The company hopes to take flight just over two years later, with service launching later this year. Oh, and first crew base is MYR. Employees pay for their school and housing, but Breeze gets the tax savings. And I'm not convinced a bright college student can't get the job done. Opinions expressed here are the authors alone, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. At least, I can't find that information. Advertiser Disclosure: Some links to credit cards and other products on this website will earn an affiliate commission. You can also reach us at (800) 573-1848. Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? This business model shows that there is still tremendous opportunity to drive down wring out costs in flying. Nah man, cars suck. Site Support. Disappointed but not surprised. of Labor requires that to classify a worker as an intern, the intern has to be the primary beneficiary of the position, not the company. Starting up a new airline in a global pandemic is certainly difficult. Spirit passengers, not so much. Maybe it really is a part-time gig and would be a good fit for a great many people. Thanks !! This article mentions and quotes minimum monthly guarantee, but fails to show the pay for picking up extra flying. The average pilot will make more than this. I worked my way through college and I would have LOVED to have free housing provided. Eight months later our crashpad lease expired. Posts: 36,185. Our normal business hours are Monday-Friday 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. (Pacific Time). Reset Password. Housing and travel to/from work provided. I wish you luck in you career and travels. As a pilot with one of the aforementioned regionals, this is an ongoing conversation. 10 years have passed, the salary for new FO's are basically the same but now you need at least 10 year as FO to become a captain. And even if you talked endlessly to that reassuring gray-haired physician in the lead-up to your surgery, you know, the guy or gal who wrote the textbook on your ailment and who appears a shoe-in to be the next chairman of the school of medicine at the cutting-edge research institution where you've opted to get the very best care (you deserve it! I wish more airlines provided housing options. They are not hired to be sex symbols and keep men sexually entertained through out the flight; therefore, I could care less how old you are as long as you can save my life in the event of an emergency.
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